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May 05 2018 06:52 am

in response to: Well I'm Back :)

Well guys… Almost 5 weeks after this ordeal started it is entering a new chapter. They are kicking Dad out today and we are moving him towards homecare and "almost" out of that system. I fought the system and beat it, then I had to fight Dad and straighten him out because he had decided to give up and die. Nope… I stood on top of him and he will now be walking out today on his own almost fully recovered. :)

Sometimes I just have to pat myself on the back… lol :)

Good to see you my friend! Thanks for finding the time to come drop in! As soon as I get Dad settled in I will be digging and posting current in here again. :)

Oh this is real… I know people who have been involved with this reality from the government side. In no way is it a tinfoil hat theory as claimed. In fact there are several whole organizations fighting against it like this one geared towards the gang stalking operations. And psychotropic drugs make one even more susceptible to some of this control. :)

https://www.targetedjustice.com/contact–organizations.html

Apr 27 2018 05:03 am

in response to: Youtube test

Absolutely! I have been a musician all my life and now love to find the unusual stuff Randolf. lol To me this is real musicianship, when artists can leave the mainstream average regular stuff and build something like this I have great appreciation for it!

I apologize for the delay in getting back to you Sir. I have been on the road and running my butt off because my Dad has been ill. Three and a half weeks now we have been fighting the system. About the time I got caught up he got sick again and we had to start all over. Tell you what… The system is designed to control population, and if you don’t stand up against it they will make it happen. NEGLECT is the new norm in the health care system. Communication deficiencies and short staffing for profit are now the normal.

Apr 22 2018 11:11 am

in response to: Making the move to LINUX

Here’s a short article I wrote about linux in another forum.

Couple days ago I mentioned that I was making the leap and switching over to linux as an Operating System for my computers. I now know that there are quite a few here on CF who are already using OS variants based on the linux Kernel. I have to admit that even though I am pretty good with computers I had reservations for many years. Human nature I guess, fear of the “command line” I kept reading about, fear of change, fear of having to start all over and learn something new, fear of losing all my existing files and pictures, fear of making a mess of things and rendering my machine unusable and stuck without one altogether.

I have now switched over to linux and realize all my fears and reservations were completely unfounded and I should have done this several years back. They have now created a platform which is painless and easy to install and use. If you order a disk or build a USB stick it is just a few clicks to install a linux operating system version alongside your existing MS windows operating system and it allows you to still access all your files on your windows folders. The linux software does it all for you and makes it easy. And after playing with it for a few days I can compare the user experience to using windows XP with the additional features of win 7 like file drag and drop from folder to folder.

Now I am blown away with all the software and applications that are available for linux. Tens of thousands of different software addons and options to create a personal operating system and environment that is totally custom as you like it not as Microsoft forces you to have it. With Microsoft you never truly own your own machine, it will always belong to them and they control everything you can use or do with it. Linux removes these chains of greed and control and sets you free. That computer you paid good money for can finally belong to you free and clear. After I installed linux into a 15 year old emachine yesterday just to see if it would work, which it did, I truly realized what a scam the MS “requirements” and “dependency” agenda has been for all these years.

For all those who are intimidated as I was, here are some very cool facts I found about linux I would like to share in hopes it might relieve some of that hesitation and intimidation. Some of this blew me away as I ran across it in my research about who and where the power and stability of the linux platform is being implemented. I am going to list just 20 of the most prominent, but some of these linux users and systems might surprise you too.

1. The New York Stock Exchange.

2. The Department of Defense of the US also uses Linux extensively. The Red Hat Linux runs the nuclear submarines of the State.

3. Scientific Linux controls the particle accelerator at CERN and all the computers associated with it.

4. The Federal Aeronautics Administration- FAA, NASA, Space X and JPL- Jet Propulsion Labratories.

5. The bullet trains in Japan use Linux to maintain and manage the sophisticated Automatic Train Control system.

6. The In-Vehicle-Infotainment technology (IVI) inside Toyota and other automobiles use Linux platform.

7. Out of the top 500 fastest supercomputers of the world, Linux or its variants power 498 of those.

8. Smartphones (Android, Maemo) are built on Linux kernel.

9. Linux has a special place in Hollywood as well. Visual effects of Titanic and Avatar were developed in 3D applications on Linux platform using FOSS software.

10. Linux is favored by the tech giants as well. For the web and cloud services, Linux is the first choice for Google, Amazon and Facebook.

11. Just about all webservers are now using linux/apache.

12. Spacewatch, a research group of Lunar and Planetary Laboratory at the University of Arizona, named several asteroids (9793 Torvalds, 9882 Stallman, 9885 Linux and 9965 GNU) after GNU/Linux and their creators, in recognition of the free operating system which was instrumental in their asteroid survey activities.

13. Tamil Nadu educational software.

14. Traffic control of San Francisco.

15. Google, Goobuntu is based on the normal ubuntu versions, but is used by internal employees of Google. Its not currently available for general public.

16. The website of the White House.

17. North Korea’s whole state internet infrastructure. (obviously without the very secure linux kernel we use).

18. Many computer games are written on Linux, then ported to Windows, Mac or whatever console they are going to.

19. Linux runs many firmware TiVo and similar DVR devices, network routers, facility automation controls, televisions and smartwatches.

20. And among thousands of other powerful systems that use linux, I saved the best for last, Even MICROSOFT is adopting and implementing linux into their software now!

Just wanted to share that there must be a reason for all these important systems and users to make use of linux and linux based software. It gave me much more confidence that I was making the right move with this change. Yet because of human nature and fear of change only 1.8% of the personal Computers in the world are running linux. This can be fixed if we can overcome this hesitation and the best part? It can all be done very easy and FREE!

Apr 21 2018 08:27 am

in response to: Youtube test

OK… At some point my server host did an update and lost some elements to this script. It pisses me off that this keeps happening. But now the Image upload and the video/youtube plugins are not working on here. I am going to have to chase down and reload a whole bunch of files to fix this.

I am getting a kick out of little Kim giving up like this. So the CIA goes to meet with him and a few days later he throws up his hands. Makes me wonder if they tossed a stack of photos of all Kim’s "secret hideouts" with targets on them.

"Look bud… We can nail just you anytime we want to, you better stop screwing around with us".

Lol

Apr 20 2018 02:12 pm

in response to: Making the move to LINUX

Even more…

Linux
Linux can freely be qualified as an Internet phenomenon. Created as a UNIX-based operating system under the GNU license two decades ago, Linux has set high standards in the release of open-source technologies that master the Internet nowadays. Due to its ground-breaking concept and support by a large community of developers, Linux underwent a truly explosive growth to turn into one of the most widely adopted UNIX-like OSs in the world. The fact that it is used as both a desktop operating system and a server platform makes it accessible to millions of users online.

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Linux, Unix and GNU
The Linux kernel
Linux advantages
Linux in the World Wide Web
Linux, Unix and GNU
By combining a lot of key characteristics such as fastness, stability, security and adaptability, Linux has become the most preferred alternative to commercial Unix and Microsoft operating systems. Its proven quality of performance has been given high credits by users and explains why most of the World Wide Web today is built upon the Linux software platform.

Based on the Unix core, originally developed back in the 1960s, Linux retains its modular concept, which makes it very stable and easily customizable. When GNU was initially started as a project in 1985, it aimed to provide a complete Unix-compatible software system. However, until the 1990s, work on the kernel and the drivers were in the initial stage. This motivated Linus Torvalds to create his own kernel in 1991 using the libraries and utilities from the GNU project, laying the foundations of the GNU/Linux project and creating the core of one of the most powerful operating systems.

The Linux kernel
The power of Linux is stemming from the kernel – the operating system code that is aimed at managing the communication between computer hardware and software. Since the Linux kernel is designed to be small and fast, it allows for very efficient management of the basic computer resources such as memory, disk space and CPU power.

The kernel is the driving force of the Linux OS. It handles all processes and defines application behavior. In Linux distributions, the graphic system does not run as a kernel process, which allows for the graphic system to be restarted in the event of a crash, without the need to restart the computer.

Linux advantages
One of the most valued advantages of Linux over the other platforms lies with the high security levels it ensures. Every Linux user is happy to work in a virus-free environment and use the regular virus-prevention time needed when working with other operating systems for other more important tasks.

Thanks to its open-source distribution, Linux is being constantly developed and updated by the constantly expanding community of programmers supporting it. Despite its dynamic nature, it is totally complete in terms of functionality and interface. All those ongoing development efforts are made with the sole purpose of keeping the platform flexible and ever adaptable to the changeable ‘climate’ of the WWW.

Linux in the World Wide Web
Due to its innate stability, the Linux-based distributions are a top choice for Internet servers, with a great part of the World Wide Web being powered by Linux. Linux is often used with Apache, thus creating the stable Linux-Apache combination.

As a fundamental part of the web, Linux has deservedly found its place in the popular LAMP open source web platform, which represents a combination between the most popular website building technologies: Linux, Apache (web server), MySQL (database) and PHP/Perl/Python (web application languages).

Apr 20 2018 02:07 pm

in response to: Making the move to LINUX

More…

1. Linux is not an OS, but it is the kernel, GNU Linux is the OS and it comes in several hundred flavours.

2. Linux Kernel was written by a 21 year finnish college student as a part of his hobby. Yup! His name is Linus Torvalds.

3. Torvalds created Linux based on GNU General Public License (GPL). Perhaps Torvalds would have never written his own kernel if GPL would be having it’s own kernel and driver.


4. Major part of today’s Linux kernel is written in C programming language and assembly language and only 2% of today’s kernel contains code written by Torvalds.

5. A Standard Linux Kernel of today has over 10 Million lines of code and it grows at the rate of 10% every year. About 4500 lines of codes are added and 1500 lines of code are changed everyday. Initially in 1991, Linux kernel version 0.01 was released with 10239 lines of code.

6. A guy named William Della Croce Jr. registered the name Linux and demanded royalty for using its name and mark. However he agreed to handover the trademark to Linus, later.

7. The Linux kernel’s official mascot is a penguin named Tux, abbreviation of tuxedo. The idea that Linux had a pet penguin comes from Linus Torvalds himself.

8. The first commercial distribution of GNU / Linux was Yggdrasil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil_Linux/GNU/X) and was launched in CD format in 1992. Red Hat was one of the first distributions to settle within companies and data centers in 1999.

9. Debian was one of the first GNU / Linux that was constituted and organized as a community of developers. Debian v. 4.0’s source code contains 283 million lines of code, $7.37 billion: projected cost to produce that amount of code in a commercial environment. Debian’s code base remains the foundation for other distros such as Ubuntu, Knoppix and Xandros.

10. 90% of the world’s most powerful supercomputers are using GNU/Linux. Top ten of supercomputers use Linux. 33.8% of the world runs on Linux servers compared to 7.3% running Microsoft Windows operating system.

11. Linux Torvalds has been honoured by naming an astroid after his name.

12. There are over 300 distributions GNU / Linux activities ranging from the well known Debian or Fedora distributions through governmental or educational level. And this list seems to grow with regional and personal distros being added frequently.

13. OK, Now the area of application of Linux – U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Navy Submarine Fleet, Federal Aviation Administration, Tamil Nadu for education purpose, Japan’s bullet trains, traffic control of San Francisco, the New York Stock Exchange, CERN, many air traffic control systems or control of nuclear reactors of submarines and ships, Russia, Brazil and Venezuela for interoperable management , cost efficient and technologically independence, Google, Cisco, Facebook, Twitter, Linked in, Toyota, TiVo, etc, server hosting the website of the White House (Drupal), federal government of Brazil favours Linux operating systems over all others in its PCs. Is Not Linux kernel the most widely ported operating system, running on a great variety of operating systems.

14. For those who think Linux can’t do Animation – Oscar-winning visual effects of the Titanic by James Cameron came from machines with Linux and Avatar was the last movie completely developed in 3D Applications on Linux platform using Foss Software. Exclaimed!

15. Believe it or not – In 2002, Microsoft had accumulated a $ 421 million cost of fighting the spread of Linux, according to The Register.

16. According to a study funded by the European Union, the estimated cost to redevelop the most recent kernel versions would be at $1.14 billion USD – Amazed.

17. Microsoft Windows and the Linux kernel can run simultaneously in parallel on the same machine using a software called Cooperative Linux (coLinux).

18. IBM choose Linux for what is expected to be the world’s most powerful supercomputer, Sequoia, due in 2011.

19. An unmodified version of the Linux kernel is called – “Vanilla Kernel”

20. Last year, 75% of Linux code was developed by programmers working for corporations. GOOGLE has contributed about 1.1% of the code in the current Linux kernel.

21. Linux has a strong following in Smart Phones – Palm’s WebOS, Google’s Android and Nokia’s Maemo smart phone operating systems are built on top of the Linux kernel.

22. Android’s Operating System is based off of Linux. The operating system is primarily based off of Linux kernel and Google has made several changes to make it go above and beyond the original basis of Linux kernel. The first Android Smart phone was launched by HTC! Though Samsung has captured much of the Android smart phone sector with its Galaxy series of devices.

23. Google names the code names of Android versions in alphabetical order. These names are not random but names of desserts. Can you guess the next versions of Android now? Android 5.0 K………..?!, Android 6.0 L………….?!!

24. Android mascot was stolen! Google didn’t originally create that mascot. The mascot was adopted from a character named Android! from a game called Gauntlet.

25. As of January 2010, Linux still only has a 1.02% market share within desktops.

Apr 20 2018 02:03 pm

in response to: Making the move to LINUX

Interesting facts about Linux…

Last updated on August 25, 2014 Authored by Dan Nanni 5 Comments
Today, August, 25th, is the 23rd birthday of Linux. The modest Usenet post made by a 21 year old student at the University of Helsinki on August 25th, 1991, marks the birth of the venerable Linux as we know it today.

Fast forward 23 years, and now Linux is everywhere, not only installed on end user desktops, smartphones and embedded systems, but also fulfilling the needs of leading enterprises and powering mission-critical systems such as US Navy’s nuclear submarines and FAA’s air traffic control. Entering the era of ubiquitous cloud computing, Linux is continuing its dominance as by far the most popular platform for the cloud.

Celebrating the 23rd birthday of Linux today, let me show you some interesting facts and history you may not know about Linux. If there is anything to add, feel free to share it in the comments. In this article, I will use the terms "Linux", "kernel" or "Linux kernel" interchangeably to mean the same thing.

1. There is a never-ending debate on whether or not Linux is an operating system. Technically, the term "Linux" refers to the kernel, a core component of an operating system. Folks who argue that Linux is not an operating system are operating system purists who think that the kernel alone does not make the whole operating system, or free software ideologists who believe that the largest free operating system should be named "GNU/Linux" to give credit where credit is due (i.e., GNU project). On the other hand, some developers and programmers have a view that Linux qualifies as an operating system in a sense that it implements the POSIX standard.

2. According to openhub.net, the majority (95%) of Linux is written in C language. The second popular language for Linux is assembly language (2.8%). The dominance of C lanaguage over C++ is no surprise given Linus’s stance on C++. Here is the programming language breakdown for Linux.

3. Linux has been built by a total of 13,036 contributors worldwide. The most prolific contributor is, of course, Linus Torvalds himself, who has committed code more than 20,000 times over the course of the lifetime of Linux. The following figures show the all-time top-10 contributors of Linux in terms of commit counts.

4. The total source lines of code (SLOC) of Linux is over 17 million. The estimated cost for the entire code base is 5,526 person-years, or over 300M USD according to basic COCOMO model.

5. Enterprises have not been simply consumers of Linux. Their employees have been actively participated in the development of Linux. The figure below shows the top-10 corporate sponsors of Linux kernel development, in terms of total commit counts from their employees, as of year 2013. They include commercial Linux distributors (Red Hat, SUSE), chip/embedded system makers (Intel, Texas Instruments, Wolfson), non-profits (Linaro), and other IT power houses (IBM, Samsung, Google).

6. The official mascot of Linux is "Tux", a friendly penguin character. The idea of using a cuddly penguin as a mascot/logo was in fact first conceived and asserted by Linus himself. Why penguin? Personally Linus is fond of penguins, despite the fact that he once was bitten by a ferocious penguin, causing him infected with a disease.

7. A Linux "distribution" contains the Linux kernel, supporting GNU utilities/libraries, and other third-party applications. According to distrowatch.com, there are a total of 286 actively maintained Linux distrutions. The oldest among them is Slackware whose very first release 1.0 became available in 1993.

8. Kernel.org, which is the main repository of Linux source code, was compromised by an unknown attacker in August, 2011, who managed to tamper with several kernel.org’s servers. In an effort to tighten up access policies of the Linux kernel, Linux foundation recently turned on two-factor authentication at the official Git repositories hosting the Linux kernel.

9. The dominance of Linux on top 500 supercomputers continues to rise. As of June 2014, 97% of the world-fastest computers are powered by Linux.

10. Spacewatch, a research group of Lunar and Planetary Laboratory at the University of Arizona, named several asteroids (9793 Torvalds, 9882 Stallman, 9885 Linux and 9965 GNU) after GNU/Linux and their creators, in recognition of the free operating system which was instrumental in their asteroid survey activities.

11. In the modern history of Linux kernel development, there was a big jump in kernel version: from 2.6 to 3.0. The renumbering to version 3 actually did not signify any major restructuring in kernel code, but was simply to celebrate the 20 year milestone of the Linux kernel.

12. In 2000, Steve Jobs at Apple Inc. tried to hire Linus Torvalds to have him drop Linux development and instead work on "Unix for the biggest user base," which was OS X back then. Linus declined the offer.

13. The reboot() system call in the Linux kernel requires two magic numbers. The second magic number comes from the birth dates of Linus Torvalds and his three daughters.

14. As his favorite text editor, Linus uses something called uEmacs/PK, which is a customized version of MicroEMACS, a lightweight Emacs-like editor.

15. In 2003, there was an attempt to insert a backdoor in the Linux kernel source hosted in a CVS repository which apparently had been broken into. Disguised as an innocuous error checking routine, the backdoor was designed to obtain root privileges under specific conditions. This backdoor never made it to the mainline kernel, and was caught by kernel maintainers.

16. While the Linux kernel is licensed under GNU GPL, which requires any code derived from the Linux kernel be open-sourced under the same license, many essential proprietary device drivers and binary-only firmware are incorporated in the Linux kernel as loadable modules. In fact, these binary blobs fall into a gray area where they might not be considered derived work in a sense that they are not designed solely for Linux but also for other operating systems as well. Linus’ stance on this matter has been pragmatic, allowing the kernel to link into proprietary blobs, but he does not mind throwing occasional rants at them. Opposed to such liberal interpretation, Linux-libre is a GNU movement which strips all the proprietary blobs of the kernel, and consists of 100% free software only.

17. Linus Torvalds is well known for having very strong opinions about many things related to Linux, and does not mind using harsh or even abusive language to get his message across. Here are a few of his famous (but non-abusive) quotes:

"Making Linux GPL’d was definitely the best thing I ever did." (while describing early days of Linux development)
"My name is Linus Torvalds and I am your god." (while jokingly introducing himself at Linux Expo)
"Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it." (after uploading a new release of the kernel)
"Whoever came up with "hold the shift key for eight seconds to turn on ‘your keyboard is buggered’ mode" should be shot." (as for FilterKeys activation)
"Friends don’t let friends use [gcc] "-W"." (while responding to a gcc issue on a mailing list)
"EFI is this other Intel brain-damage (the first one being ACPI)." (while discussing EFI patches)
"I’m always right. This time I’m just even more right than usual." (while discussing timer interrupt)
"Talk is cheap. Show me the code." (while responding to someone’s idea)
"If you need more than 3 levels of indentation, you’re screwed anyway, and should fix your program." (in a kernel coding style document)
"I don’t ask for money. I don’t ask for sexual favors. I don’t ask for access to the hardware you design and sell. I just ask for the thing I gave you: source code that I can use myself." (while discussing Linux kernel licensing)

18. With so many fans of Linux around the world, there are criticisms on current Linux distributions (mainly desktops), such as limited hardware support, lack of standardization, instability due to short upgrade/release cycles, etc. During the Linux kernel panel at LinuxCon 2014, Linus was quoted as saying "I still want the desktop" when asked where he thinks Linux should go next.

19. Linux kernels have weird and funny code names. For example, the code name for the latest kernel 4.0 is "Hurr durr I’ma sheep." These code names are authored by Linus Torvalds himself, and included in the Makefile of their source trees.

Good morning Sir. :)

Absolutely… It violates the very first amendment in the Bill of Rights period. Not even pornography can be restricted from being printed and sold. Age restriction yes, but printing, sales, or banning no. The way Ca is pushing past the limits of the Constitutional checks and balances is just incredible. The reason why I stand against this ideology so strongly is because once Ca is allowed to do these things other states take advantage of the illegal deception and follow suit passing like kind unconstitutional crap.

The fact that Ca is getting away with this stuff will eventually affect the whole nation and their constitutional rights also. The Citizens of other states really need to concentrate and pay attention to what happens in Ca and nip these in the bud at the source before they spread. It is NOT just a problem for the folks in Ca… It is a problem for every individual in this country and it drives me crazy that everyone is sitting on their hands doing nothing about it.

One of my pet peeves as you can see… lol

Apr 19 2018 11:34 am

in response to: Well I'm Back :)

Boy are you right Sir… It took it’s toll on me too. I have important stuff needing to get done and I am still just too beat to do it. Catching up on a lot of stuff that got neglected while I was gone out of town but I will share the story just as soon as I get somemore energy and mental power. lol

Thank you for dropping in my friend and I really do appreciate it very much! I will work my way over to Roberto’s site at some point today… Trying to catch up on bills for a bit this morning. Many of Dad’s are now late because of this set back. :)

Something important in what you say here. Since the first hunting tools were invented they were actually duel purpose from the beginning. Not just for procuring sustenance but for defending yourself from those who would kill you to take that sustenance away from you. So tools for hunting and defense are symbiotic and one and he same with equal importance.

But there is a bigger picture in these mass shootings. The true problem is ideology not the tool. What’s the ideology? Start with the fact that every one of these mass shooters were brainwashed liberals and every one of them was on psychotropic medications to treat their creampuff mental issues instilled by socialist ideology. Pretty self explanatory when you look at the facts.

This last one was not unique, Because of liberal "be easy on them" ideology this kid did not go to jail for crimes he committed long before this happened. This never happened until liberal gun free zones and ideology started to spread through out culture like a cancer. It can all be traced to liberal ideology. It just does not work. It is an alternate reality and not based on rational logic and reality. It is an absolute pipe dream that is killing kids.

Apr 01 2018 04:40 pm

in response to: The Left Won’t Rest Until Someone Gets Killed

His mind is slipping a bit but his heart is healthy. He has eaten right and exercised all his life so physically he was doing good until this doctor started "fixing him" for a mild BP issue. Now he is on 11 different medications that she insists he needs. He is not in pain so none of them are for pain. He explained that he doesn’t feel right when he is on all these meds and asked if he really needed them all. What does she do? gives him another scrip for the " doesn’t feel right" issue which of course did nothing to change that. He was healthy and active until she got a hold of him. Now he is listless and lazy and don’t give a crap anymore because of how he feels all the time from the meds.

I think it is a setup…

Sure they are, since the beginning of man just a rock was a deadly weapon and used for BOTH personal defense and hunting. But mainly to protect food once it was secured. Basic survival depended on this ability, and it still does to date.

And of course some should maybe not have the right, but to remove this basic survival right from those who are innocent and responsible and turn them into victims is an even worse crime against humanity.

The number one weapon used in homicides are knives not guns. Where is the outrage about this? You can bet they will be next after guns in this.

I think the main thing is to see the bigger picture with the gun control movement. They could care less about lives, because they know it will never actually solve anything, Criminals will still get guns and kill victims. It is all about controlling the masses by rendering them all helpless victims so that they can be manipulated and exploited.

Absolutely! They argue that the framers of our Constitution did not have the intellect and vision to think that our culture was going to become so advanced in technology to have the weapons we have now. So they say for this reason the words need o be reinterpreted. I think they had an idea this would happen yet wanted it put in very very simple words that no matter what, the basic god given right for each individual to protect themselves was never misconstrued.

There is no need to let a constitutional lawyer reinterpret the words to mean something they do not. Any 5th grader with a dictionary can understand the words mean exactly what they say. Now were the framers smart enough to know what they were writing? These men were educated men, ten times more educated than ANY current constitutional lawyer today. Did they just jot these words down in haste to put something on paper without much thought? Absolutely not

Most of these men were great historians educated in the classics and had studied previous civilizations, cultures and Governments successful or not since before the ancient Greeks and Romans. They had studied hundreds of previous cultures noting their successes and failures up to the point they went to work framing our contract and pact. They had read and studied in great depth thousands of historical charters and pacts and had this vast collection of historical knowledge to use for references in their own work.

Then they had a hundred or more current charters to study like the magna carta , the mayflower compact, and the works they had already put together as a rough draft, the Articles of Confederation. Then it took more than 11 years of correspondence, Meetings and in some cases physical travel across oceans back to the old world for even more in depth research to make sure that EVERY WORD was absolutely correct in how they wanted it to be worded and understood.

They wanted it to be simple enough that any person who had a minimal ability to read could understand it without question of the message it was meant to put forth. So the notion they didn’t really know what they were doing and could never have envisioned what this country would become someday is ludicrous.Any 5th grader can explain it to you if they have not been brainwashed with junk english and twisted legal fiction.

It’s pretty simple and doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what the very short and direct words are meant to mean.

"The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

11 years of much effort and work to get this one 11 word sentence correct and they try to say these guys really did not know what they meant? Poppy cock… they meant it exactly as it is written and worded period! Anyone who says different does not have the mental capacity above a 5th grader, or they are absolute dishonest liars!